Abusing the ghoul

''You learn that a local Tremere of lower standing than your own is particularly cruel in his treatment of ghouls. In this particular case, he intends to cut out the ghoul's tongue for coughing at a gathering. What, if anything, do you do?''

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** Gunnvaldr

This is a tough one. After all, thy domain is thine own concern, and the ghoul is the property of the Tremere in question. If the Tremere is loud about it, simply remind the Tremere that such actions do not belong in polite society, and leave it at that. Perhaps the attention in and of itself might cause the Tremere to change his ways.

** Maryam Al-Karami

It's true that he has every official right to do this. Having legal rights to do something doesn't make it acceptable, however, and we should have a higher standard than the letter of the law. Try to arrange the situation to end it. This may be pulling strings to prevent it, or arguing on behalf of maintaining humanity, or asking the ghoul be loaned to you, or anything else that would work. If anyone suspects you of being soft-hearted, you can explain the advantages of having someone else's ghoul be loyal to you, or advocate harsher punishments when they are legitimate.

** Phillipe Marchand

If the ghoul belong to a Kindred that wasn't a Tremere he might have one of his neonate childer look into it. The fact that it was a Tremere means he's probably bribe the Sheriff with a boon. Than claim that the neonate Tremere had poached is ghoul and take the ghoul back.

** Atreus

Why am I concerned with the actions of another if they do not affect me, my plans, or my puppets, especially when it concerns their ghoul? Though I do agree, using this as an opportunity to poach a Tremere ghoul to learn its secrets could be very advantageous. And do that in private. Why must we be subject to your perceived cruelty?

** Charles Yea

In Yea's mind this is a simple problem. The Tremere in question is demonstrating a troubling lack of humanity. He will become a quiet advocate against the Tremere, and expend some influence seeking any other evidence of the kindred in questions poor judgement to use as future leverage. Beyond that protocol demands that he respect the Tremere's rights and privileges.

** Arnvald Torstein

Don't be obvious but remark that it appears the local Tremere have no self control nor the ability to handle their property well. Suggest in the social circles that they may need help training their ghouls properly and that maybe they should not bring wild things to social gathers. Demoralize the Tremere and bring the attention of others to them.

** Catherine Foxley (aka Katrijn DeVos)

Such an obviously inhuman act is a blight upon the Tower's honour. Catherine would make that opinion known in quiet tones that she does not approve of it. She'll call into question the Tremere's self control and training as kindred, especially with the Tremere's superiors. A pillar clan, especially one that aspires to be a high clan, (archaic flaw comes in here, she doesn't quite believe the Tremere aren't a low clan any more) should be acting with more decorum.

** Gareth Day

It's legal but unsavory, particularly to a humane Ventrue with a strong social doctrine. I would try to 'purchase' the ghoul to help avoid the tongue being taken. If unable to do so, it depends on if the Tremere is accepting of advice. If they are, I will propose an alternative punishment that might suit the Tremere's personality better. If they aren't, I will begin raising doubts about the Tremere's self-control, ability to maintain the Masquerade, and maturity in handling their responsibilities - hopefully, resulting in scandal, status loss and loss of any positions. The more attention I can draw to this Tremere is sure to upset their clan superiors.

I will work to make certain it is difficult for the Tremere to obtain any more ghouls as well. If feasible, I will still try to obtain possession the ghoul and find a Volgirre to repair their tongue.